Thursday, January 24, 2013

Don't Worry About Your Guns: There Is Nothing Left To Defend

Via Nancy

Who needs enemies with friends like this?

"And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and  a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state of the art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day -- for nothing.

You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice . . . for the moment."
 

 

 I wrote that last year for The Dollar Vigilante in an article entitled "When They Come For Your Guns You Will Turn Them Over", and it has been republished dozens of times, often as not to vilify the very proposition and its author.

And, even after all the recent saber-rattling in response to Obama's threat to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, I still believe every word of that article. Most Americans will give up their guns when they are told do so. Not necessarily because they are afraid to die, although most are, but because they are so used to giving up what the government mandates be turned over. Guns may just be the next takeaway in a long list of takings by the State.

Others will come to the conclusion that guns no longer serve a purpose vis-à-vis protection from government tyranny because they have already given up all the rights that matter. From free speech to freedom of the press, all that which was once held sacred has been fully abridged. Even Bill Maher, a liberal's liberal, gets that irony.

18 comments:

  1. She starts from the same place occupied by TL and Sgt Mosby and great libertarians (like me) regarding the state of our liberties, then instead of stopping and saying "And that is how it really is" or continuing on to say, "Let's get them ALL back," she crouches down like a good little peon and concludes, "We're already in chains, so we're just going to give up."

    With friends like this, indeed.

    How far we have fallen as a nation that we are at once proud of our military and also scared to death of it?



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    1. BTW, I meant "a great many libertarians". I am not a great libertarian, nor did I mean to imply that I was. I'm nobody.

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    2. "We're already in chains, so we're just going to give up."

      Pathetic and I'll vote for you as a great libertarian!

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  2. Me too. All Libertarians that I know are great. But who is the maroon who says we'll all cave?

    I'm not scared of our military. Recently I ate lunch at a Chinese buffet in Fountain, Colorado next to a table full of young Army men and women with green crosses on their shoulders. I went over and was barely able to speak as I told them of my father's 4th Division service. I wanted to buy their lunch but they had already paid. If I can get back there I will do that. Afraid of them? Hell, I'd adopt the whole table full or beautiful Americans.

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  3. I think she might have a point. What would it take for you to shoot a cop? What constitutes a severe enough violation of your rights that you are willing to risk death or life imprisonment? Of 80 mil gun owners, how many could you get to march on the Capitol Building in DC, armed? If everybody waits for the tyranny to directly effect them, then there will be no unified resistance. Without leaders (in real life,internet doesn't count), there will be no unified resistance.

    I think we, as a country, might go quiet into that (not so)gentle night.

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    1. What would it take for you to shoot a cop?

      Sane people would not just go out and do that, but if someone in their family was killed in yet another infamous house raid, then all bets are off. I think K had some words on that the other day in conjunction with confiscation of arms. The best I heard was one cop stating that going house to house confiscating guns would be a death wish.

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    2. During Katrina guns were confiscated with no resistance other than indignation.

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    3. http://nclinksandthinks.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/the-decision/

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    4. Yes, but there was one NG unit that refused and everyone knows now that it is distinctly possible, when before we thought, no way.

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    5. I think the same thing would have to happen in our minds which happened in the hearts and minds of Colonial Patriots and Tories and then again in Billy Yank and Johnny Reb. How does neighbor turn on neighbor and brother on brother? Each side must see the other as them, not us. Each side must see the other as a credible, existential threat. We have held our hands so far as a nation because we see the government - city, county, State, and Federal - as us. However, the corruption, lawlessness, and tone deafness of the last decade has been wearing this cloak of togetherness threadbare.

      Mass armed resistance is not guaranteed, I guess. I hope it is not even necessary. I hope, on the other hand, that when the next intolerable act comes, as it has already come in NYS, the minimal response will be mass noncompliance. I pray we are not already conquered by our own cowardice.

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    6. I think the same thing would have to happen in our minds which happened in the hearts and minds of Colonial Patriots and Tories and then again in Billy Yank and Johnny Reb. How does neighbor turn on neighbor and brother on brother? Each side must see the other as them, not us. Each side must see the other as a credible, existential threat.

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      when the next intolerable act comes, as it has already come in NYS, the minimal response will be mass noncompliance.

      I can't but believe that this will happen, as even the Canadians refused to register their long arms and after a number of years the government simply gave up and repealed the law.

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  4. "the minimal response will be mass noncompliance"

    Noncompliance means people in possession of illegal weapons. If the cops are called to your house for a noise complaint, or any number of minor things, and see your rifle or something else they can use as probable cause to search your house, suddenly you're in a lot more trouble. The fact that the laws are on the books, even if they're not actively enforced, means they can tack charges onto the most minor thing making it risky to own banned guns. This could have the effect of causing the less zealous gun owners to turn 'em in.

    Also, you wouldn't be able to take them to the range.

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    1. This could have the effect of causing the less zealous gun owners to turn 'em in.

      I don't doubt for a minute that many will, but many won't and in the country you don't need to go to the range. Many will also bury them as many are already buried. Gee, seems like many is my word of the day.:)

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    2. De facto gun ban. You do not have a right if that action has to be hidden. If the 1A is abridged, you can still write secret notes to yourself and bury them.

      I thought the point was to fight for rights, not hide and hope it gets better. The 2A, and the rest of our rights, is moot if nobody is willing to use it. If there's no will to push back, that's defeat.

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    3. Caches are prudent and for more reasons than a gun ban. I have a who friend who buried 50K rounds with numerous weapons upon the inauguration of our "First Black President":) and he still has plenty above the ground as do all I am sure. $2K will get you 10 Mosin-Nagants with 10K rounds of ammo, perfect to squirrel away. You fight when the time is opportune which we all hope is never necessary and it certainly isn't now. Canada gave up on registration of long guns because of non-compliance and repealed the original law. You can bet there would be more non-compliance here. If you are interested, search for caches on Survival for there is a wealth of knowledge there.

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  5. But Roger does a good job of describing the police state we now have. They really are that despicable, at least many (heh) of the police people I've known are, going back to the chief who played high school basketball with my uncles in the thirties and then took their bootlegging payoffs for years.

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    1. took their bootlegging payoffs for years.

      :) My grandfather was the Chief of Police in Raleigh for a few years. He ran and won after betting one of his liquor drinking/gambling friends that he could. He resigned before the term was up stating he just couldn't keep going on arresting his best friends, the bootleggers!:)

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