Sunday, May 29, 2011

Redleg v. Massad Ayoob

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This is taken from the comments section of the post
  • Adam Kokesh body slammed, choked, police brutality at Jefferson Memorial

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  • Redleg said...
  • And Ayoob continues to belittle those of us who question police abuse and excess here:
  • http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2011/05/11/more-questions-answered/
  • He calls those of us who disagree with him "Cop Haters" who "regurgitate Kool-Aid". I guess not a single solitary soul has made a valid point to him...and after his comments we are the ones regurgitating Kool-Aid?

    That last snark of his to Reg T really pissed me off and I left the following comment (posted here seperately due to length)...

  • May 29, 2011 7:45 PM

  • Redleg said...
  • Mas, here is some more regurgitated Kool-Aid for you:

    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22only+ones%22+site%3Awaronguns.blogspot.com&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en

    http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9k8L3oDa4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ho9_QcTH7E
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On36mB9egR4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB9uDmba48
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJvz6f3d97Y
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gTm2NX7UCc

    The links above (as well as the recent SWAT raid that many have been discussing) all must just be one more in a long string of “isolated incidents.” Of course according to you there is no problem here, nothing to see, so we should all just shut up and move along otherwise we are labeled “cop haters” with opinions unworthy of consideration because it is nothing more than regurgitated Kool-Aid.

  • Instead we must all show the proper level of deference and subservience to the exalted personages in blue or else. Heaven forbid there are those of us who are not in need of police protection and are tired of that being used as an excuse to continually extort more money out of us so that cops can get their next juicy pay raise or that nice 90% paycheck at 30 years in perpetuity while my brothers in arms get a measly 50% at 20 and frequently are unfit to get a second job after they complete their time because their bodies are so beat down.

  • And to add injury to insult, if the funding can’t be extorted through further taxation you can always shake us down through taxation by other means, namely fines. Here in California the cops are like sharks circling a bloodied and wound animal. I have seen more cops out writing tickets in the last two years than I have seen in my previous 40 years of life combined while patrols in seedier gang infested areas are neglected but what do I know…we are all just a bunch of bitter Kool-Aid drinking “cop haters” who have absolutely no justification for any of our opinions.

    Maybe you should get out and rub elbows with the hoi polloi a bit more and broaden your horizons (and your perspective) instead of drinking all of that cop Kool-Aid that you seem to have been imbibing in mass quantities at all of your tactical conferences.

    When I start seeing the majority of officers call out police misconduct and punish the abuser rather than resort to that blue wall of silence they will have my support, until then, me and a heck of a lot more like me have had more than our fill of the arrogance, pomposity, tyranny, and abuse. We understand that there are criminals and bad people in the world but we are tired of the “us vs. them” and “everyone is a perp mentality” that gets applied to peaceable citizens today just as frequently as it does to legitimate hardened criminals.

  • The use of SWAT teams for absolutely everything is just one more symptom of this national police sickness that cops have been infected with today. We get tired of hearing how officer safety is paramount and how them returning home safely at the end of the shift is far more important than the life of one innocent citizen. If the job is too dangerous or too stressful then find another one, no one forced any of you to serve and you weren’t drafted. Unless things change soon it doesn’t bode well for the nation.

    This messed up Orwellian nation that I have left to my children and my grandchildren sickens me and I hope they forgive me for allowing it to happen. But then what do I really know, I probably just drank too much Kool-Aid!

    Happy Memorial Day to everyone by the way! Let’s not forget all of those servicemen who lost their lives on foreign soil (including my uncle and my best friend) although I know their sacrifice pails in comparison to all of you cops.


  • May 29, 2011 7:47 PM
  • Redleg said...
  • It looks like he chose not to post my comment above yet he posted another much more incendiary than mine. Perhaps mine cut too close to the bone and had far too much truth for his liking?

  • May 29, 2011 7:50 PM
  • 4 comments:

    1. He made another couple of idiotic statements, one excusing judges and the legal system so I finally closed with this as any more dialogue is a waste of time (comment in next post due to length):

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    2. For some reason my respionse won't post

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    3. Here it is.

      Redleg has left a new comment on the post "Redleg v. Massad Ayoob":

      "No, they just review the evidence that the prosecution wants them to see presented in such a manner as to ensure a conviction since that seems to be far more important that justice…especially when the aggrieved party happens to be government or a government agent:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

      That is if it even gets that far. Ask Detective Bruch, he’ll tell you:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

      And then the judge fails to give all the rules to the jury, namely that they not only have the right to try the case but to try the law as well:

      http://fija.org/

      How many sane people do you think would convict a person for having a butt stock 1/4″ too short when told they have the right to acquit because the law is idiotic? Especially if they were told how many years the penalty for a conviction will be? Ah, but the judge forbids telling them what the punishment is for a conviction and any other such pertinent information which would allow them to make a reasoned common sense decision. Is that justice to you?

      You know, now one here was ever looking for you to throw police in general under the bus, just to acknowledge that some commenters had some valid points, gripes, and complaints and perhaps that indeed, in some areas Law Enforcement may have some issues. Instead you chose to circle the wagons and write all the negative commentors off with ad hominem labels and then you are mad that you get the same thing back.

      You set the tone to this discussion from day one, period. I am man enough to admit that there are problems in the military and discuss them rationally. I am not a “kool-aid” drinker and I can rationally debate the subject when warranted. You threw away that opportunity here from the get go and made it obvious that your loyalty to your brothers in blue (even those who don’t deserve it) outweighs anything else and that’s a real shame.

      So many people in the RKBA community looked up to you, many who have had bad encounters with police because they believe in and exercise RKBA, and your unwillingness to even listen to and tell them you understood where they were coming from was a real wake up call.

      This was my final post as I can see I have been wasting my time here."

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    4. Excellent post and indeed his refusal to use the rules of debate have cost him. I have read many articles by him, but shan't any longer. Thanks.

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