Friday, April 26, 2013

Why We Can't Have A "Reasonable Discussion" On 2A

Via WRSA

 ROE For Citizen:.mil Encounters 
(Graphic from Bracken)

 I remind everyone that with some 300,000,000 guns in America and about 11,000 homicides a year 0.004% of them are used in a murder annually.  In other words 99.996% of the firearms owned are not used to murder someone in a given year.

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The other night I got into a twitter-flamefest with Dylan Ratigan on, you guessed it, guns.

He tweeted something about The Senate and "reasonable" gun control and I went after him.  He responded and the game was on.  You can back through my timeline (as Tickerguy) and have a look if you want.

The conversation quickly degenerated when he started with the "So you're for private ownership of nukes, right?" crap and "The Second Amendment was written in a time of muskets, so that's what it covers" nonsense.

I retorted with "So the First Amendment is about movable type, paper and ink -- hand-driven -- right?"

Ah, no answer.

Didn't think I'd get one, by the way, so rather than keep hammering that I instead pointed this out the following (and it took three tweets to do it @ 140 characters each):

The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution (no government can give what it does not have)

2A recognizes the fundamental human right to self-defense, irrespective of the attacker's identity.
The Bill of Rights PROTECTS Rights, it does not GRANT them as government NEVER HAD THEM TO GRANT.

This is why we can't have a "reasonable" debate on this point with people on the other side of the debate.

They refuse to recognize these essential facts:

6 comments:

  1. Good work. The more of us that defend our rights, the harder it will be for bad people to take them away.

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  2. What you have is a "systemic misunderstanding." Your world view and his are so different that the addition of information does not increase communication. I run into it every day, every where I go. Live with it or Secede.

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  3. There is no "reasonable" with the anti gun nuts except the total banning of all private firearms. The one advantage of being older than dirt and still having a few functioning brain cells is I remember this same debate only concerning tobacco. I think it was about 1968 or so when all the anti-tobacco crowd wanted was just a warning label on the product. Just a reasonable warning label what is the harm. Well look at today there are cities trying to ban people from smoking in their own homes or cars. The problem is no matter what is done it is never enough. Guns are being attacked in the same manner. Those pushing "reasonable" laws are damn liars. For them there is no reasonable except a total ban. I refuse to take one more step back and if that means they put a bullet in my head...well so be it.

    Badger

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    1. An excellent example and they will never stop until they kill the 25 to 50,000,000 of us that they think is necessary. Of course, they will then come up with something else. Useful idiots, all.

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