Okay....maybe it's just me or I got lucky, but I was able to pick him out in all but one of the scenarios. I just looked for a darker blob of green amongst the rest. That boonie hat really stuck out. He should have put some foliage in the loops to help break up the outline. It didn't take more than 5 seconds to spot him each time except for the long shot down the creek bed.
Hbbill Somewhere behind enemy lines, Peoples Republik of Kommiefornia
He was findable....but then the viewer was searching for him in a specific direction. In the real 360 degree world where you don't know for sure IF someone is there let alone where the odds of being discovered by sight alone are slim. All in all the pattern is very effective for that terrain. With the drop in price of thermal imaging though one cannot count on being truly hidden using ONLY visual camo.
I have one.....at about $3K it's pricey....but that's what I paid for my PV14 3rd gen NV scope. Is it as good as the images you see from helicopters? No. Is it good enough to discern the heat of a body trying to hide? You betcha. I can see coyotes in the sagebrush at 200 yards. Without thermal I have no idea where they are, with they simply can't hide. And no man is as good as a coyote at moving about unseen.
I prefer ERDL in the green up. I once squatted 12 feet off a trail and had a local village woman take a leak 15 feet away on the other side of the trail, she never had a clue I was there. But Tigers work well too. So do M-81 woodlands. I have tested all of them in the only way that counts. I snuck around in the "boonies" in them. Camo is very season and background specific and no one pattern can do it all. A pattern that is just the berries this spring ,might suck big time six weeks later. It may also become worthless after you wash it five times. So TEST your camo choice now lest you discover that it is ineffective "the hard way"---Ray
German Flectarn works pretty good in my A/O from late spring until after everything gets green again after the first rain. It just about matches the foliage on the bushes perfectly, unless you are going to lay about on the ground. I have some British desert DPM for that in the windproof variety..
Hbbill Somewhere behind enemy lines, Peoples Republik of Kommiefornia
Everything starts turning brown about four weeks after the last rain, some time in Feb. Then it stays brown until about a week after the first rain of the season which sometimes occurs in late Nov. at the earliest....if we're lucky. We have been in drought conditions for at least ten years now.
The current weather forecast shows a 20% chance of rain between now and Wednesday. That pretty much means zero chance of precipitation. My dad used to joke about being a weatherman and he would ALWAYS predict no rain. He was right about 97% of the time.
Don't forget that I live in the south of Kommiefornia....which is essentially a dry Mediterranean climate most of the year. Rain in any reasonable amount in Cali seldom makes it south of Santa Barbara.
Hbbill Somewhere behind enemy lines, Peoples Republik of Kommiefornia
This pattern is what I wear when I'm spring turkey hunting in Missouri. Very effective!
ReplyDeleteThanks!
DeleteOkay....maybe it's just me or I got lucky, but I was able to pick him out in all but one of the scenarios. I just looked for a darker blob of green amongst the rest. That boonie hat really stuck out. He should have put some foliage in the loops to help break up the outline. It didn't take more than 5 seconds to spot him each time except for the long shot down the creek bed.
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Good deal. You sure beat me. :)
DeleteHe was findable....but then the viewer was searching for him in a specific direction.
ReplyDeleteIn the real 360 degree world where you don't know for sure IF someone is there let alone where the odds of being discovered by sight alone are slim. All in all the pattern is very effective for that terrain. With the drop in price of thermal imaging though one cannot count on being truly hidden using ONLY visual camo.
With the drop in price of thermal imaging though one cannot count on being truly hidden using ONLY visual camo.
DeleteGood point.
WOW! Y'all think that 3000$ to 10000$ is a "lower" price for a FLIR unit? I just looked up the price on 'em. I paid less for my pick up truck.--Ray
DeleteI'd have to win the lottery.
DeleteI have one.....at about $3K it's pricey....but that's what I paid for my PV14 3rd gen NV scope. Is it as good as the images you see from helicopters?
DeleteNo. Is it good enough to discern the heat of a body trying to hide? You betcha. I can see coyotes in the sagebrush at 200 yards. Without thermal I have no idea where they are, with they simply can't hide. And no man is as good as a coyote at moving about unseen.
You betcha. I can see coyotes in the sagebrush at 200 yards
Delete$3K would be dirt cheap, if there was a foe in front of you.
I prefer ERDL in the green up. I once squatted 12 feet off a trail and had a local village woman take a leak 15 feet away on the other side of the trail, she never had a clue I was there. But Tigers work well too. So do M-81 woodlands. I have tested all of them in the only way that counts. I snuck around in the "boonies" in them. Camo is very season and background specific and no one pattern can do it all. A pattern that is just the berries this spring ,might suck big time six weeks later. It may also become worthless after you wash it five times. So TEST your camo choice now lest you discover that it is ineffective "the hard way"---Ray
ReplyDeleteGood info and story. Thanks.
DeleteGerman Flectarn works pretty good in my A/O from late spring until after everything gets green again after the first rain. It just about matches the foliage on the bushes perfectly, unless you are going to lay about on the ground. I have some British desert DPM for that in the windproof variety..
DeleteHbbill
Somewhere behind enemy lines,
Peoples Republik of Kommiefornia
British desert DPM
DeleteFor the fall/winter?
Everything starts turning brown about four weeks after the last rain, some time in Feb. Then it stays brown until about a week after the first rain of the season which sometimes occurs in late Nov. at the earliest....if we're lucky. We have been in drought conditions for at least ten years now.
DeleteThe current weather forecast shows a 20% chance of rain between now and Wednesday. That pretty much means zero chance of precipitation.
My dad used to joke about being a weatherman and he would ALWAYS predict no rain. He was right about 97% of the time.
Don't forget that I live in the south of Kommiefornia....which is essentially a dry Mediterranean climate most of the year. Rain in any reasonable amount in Cali seldom makes it south of Santa Barbara.
Hbbill
Somewhere behind enemy lines,
Peoples Republik of Kommiefornia
I see, I've been quail hunting on Camp Pendleton.
DeleteI don't live too far from there.
DeleteHbbill
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San Clemente. Used to deliver telegrams to Nixon by taxi
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