Texas has a law stating that an LEO may temporarily confiscate a firearm for his/her safety.
The analogy of a soldier rolling up on someone is a false analogy and the most dangerous aspect of it.
The LEOs are increasingly viewing citizens as the 'enemy' and treating people that way. The officer displays that attitude in spades.
This is not coming from the ranks up; it is an attitude that is being taught and spread by the leadership.
I personally have had two encounters with LEOs while armed and stopped for traffic violations; in both cases the officer stated "just leave it there" and that was it.
I've been to Alpine, Wyoming many times, camped at that same reservoir that's in this video, and I always openly wore my revolver.
Only once did I meet a deputy sheriff, and that was in the living room of a local resident who I knew from church.
The deputy casually inquired about my wearing my revolver, and although I can't remember, I probably just explained that I was from Idaho, and that I always wore my revolver.
Maybe I even stated that I thought society would be safer if every citizen would wear their firearm all the time.
All of us were Mormons, and it was a relaxed and informal setting, so nothing came of it.
If I remember correctly, I think they were more impressed with my playing guitar and singing songs that I'd composed.
While I can understand the officer's concern for his own safety, it does not trump the Constitution and/or individual rights. He is not above the Constitution. My feeling is that if a leo is that afraid, he really needs to get another job.
I've had ONE somewhat "tense" encounter with a cop.
I was concealed-carrying, and since I was in a "must notify" state at the time, I did. Before he got up to the car I'd rolled down my window and put both hands through the steering-wheel, then palm-down on the dash - IOW I was pretty well "restrained" already... When he asked for my lic.® I said
"Sir, Before I do that, I understand that I'm required to notify you that I am a CC permit holder and I am exercising my right to carry at this time. My pistol is (where it is) and my license is in my wallet in my (where IT is) pocket. My registration & Insurance-card are in that CD-carrier on the sun-visor above my head. How would you like me to proceed?"
Now... Before I go on, it pisses me off to no end that I feel like I must damn near hog-tie myself and ask for permission to scratch my damn nose, but that's the police-state in which we now live.
"Discretion is the better part of valor" - as a law-abiding citizen I don't want to end up dead at the hand of a trigger-happy pig - especially when I've got the only excuse he could ever need strapped on already!!
So ... Call me a pu$$y if you like - I don't care. Until things change, I'm going home ALIVE...
Anyhow, despite my obviously compliant demeanor, he looked worried and said he was going to take me out of the car and cuff me "temporarily, for everyone's safety."
I looked him dead in the eye and said
"Sir, please: USE YOUR BRAIN.
If I was going to shoot you, you'd already be dead.
Now, if you want to order me out of the car I guess I'll have to comply, but I have a better idea - how about we just both act like we have some sense, leave our guns in our holsters, and get this over with so we can both get on about our business?"
He thought about it a second, then responded "Just don't do anything stupid." to which I replied "I won't if you won't!"
We locked eyes for a minute, then he told me to go ahead and get my license, etc - I did so slowly and explaining each move I was about to make "OK... I'm going to lean to my right and take my left hand and..."
Obviously I made it out alive, although my blood-pressure was no doubt off the charts by the time it was done...
**THIS** situation though...
Let me get this straight: These pigs ACTUALLY wanted to draw down on this man before handing him back his pistol? THAT was the best thing they could come up with?
They couldn't say "You straddle your bike, I'm going to lay your pistol on the ground over here with the mag beside it - please wait until we're gone before you get off the bike to come get it?"
If it's all about "SAFETY", well... Cops are more likely to shoot US than we are to shoot them - so shouldn't WE be able to cuff THEM before *WE* can feel safe in interacting with them?!
This PIG needs to move to Ill-Annoy or NYFC - he CLEARLY doesn't belong in a (relatively) free state like Wyoming!
Texas has a law stating that an LEO may temporarily confiscate a firearm for his/her safety.
ReplyDeleteThe analogy of a soldier rolling up on someone is a false analogy and the most dangerous aspect of it.
The LEOs are increasingly viewing citizens as the 'enemy' and treating people that way. The officer displays that attitude in spades.
This is not coming from the ranks up; it is an attitude that is being taught and spread by the leadership.
I personally have had two encounters with LEOs while armed and stopped for traffic violations; in both cases the officer stated "just leave it there" and that was it.
I am really shocked that this happened in Wyoming.
ReplyDeleteMe too.
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it is an attitude that is being taught and spread by the leadership.
I am sure it is.
That is exactly what they are being taught in the police academies and any colleges that teach them via night classes.
DeleteThat is exactly what they are being taught in the police academies and any colleges that teach them via night classes.
DeleteDo you mean to handcuff the individual for safety?
I've been to Alpine, Wyoming many times, camped at that same reservoir that's in this video, and I always openly wore my revolver.
ReplyDeleteOnly once did I meet a deputy sheriff, and that was in the living room of a local resident who I knew from church.
The deputy casually inquired about my wearing my revolver, and although I can't remember, I probably just explained that I was from Idaho, and that I always wore my revolver.
Maybe I even stated that I thought society would be safer if every citizen would wear their firearm all the time.
All of us were Mormons, and it was a relaxed and informal setting, so nothing came of it.
If I remember correctly, I think they were more impressed with my playing guitar and singing songs that I'd composed.
While I can understand the officer's concern for his own safety, it does not trump the Constitution and/or individual rights. He is not above the Constitution. My feeling is that if a leo is that afraid, he really needs to get another job.
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I've had ONE somewhat "tense" encounter with a cop.
ReplyDeleteI was concealed-carrying, and since I was in a "must notify" state at the time, I did. Before he got up to the car I'd rolled down my window and put both hands through the steering-wheel, then palm-down on the dash - IOW I was pretty well "restrained" already... When he asked for my lic.® I said
"Sir, Before I do that, I understand that I'm required to notify you that I am a CC permit holder and I am exercising my right to carry at this time. My pistol is (where it is) and my license is in my wallet in my (where IT is) pocket. My registration & Insurance-card are in that CD-carrier on the sun-visor above my head. How would you like me to proceed?"
Now... Before I go on, it pisses me off to no end that I feel like I must damn near hog-tie myself and ask for permission to scratch my damn nose, but that's the police-state in which we now live.
"Discretion is the better part of valor" - as a law-abiding citizen I don't want to end up dead at the hand of a trigger-happy pig - especially when I've got the only excuse he could ever need strapped on already!!
So ... Call me a pu$$y if you like - I don't care. Until things change, I'm going home ALIVE...
Anyhow, despite my obviously compliant demeanor, he looked worried and said he was going to take me out of the car and cuff me "temporarily, for everyone's safety."
I looked him dead in the eye and said
"Sir, please: USE YOUR BRAIN.
If I was going to shoot you, you'd already be dead.
Now, if you want to order me out of the car I guess I'll have to comply, but I have a better idea - how about we just both act like we have some sense, leave our guns in our holsters, and get this over with so we can both get on about our business?"
He thought about it a second, then responded "Just don't do anything stupid." to which I replied "I won't if you won't!"
We locked eyes for a minute, then he told me to go ahead and get my license, etc - I did so slowly and explaining each move I was about to make "OK... I'm going to lean to my right and take my left hand and..."
Obviously I made it out alive, although my blood-pressure was no doubt off the charts by the time it was done...
**THIS** situation though...
Let me get this straight: These pigs ACTUALLY wanted to draw down on this man before handing him back his pistol? THAT was the best thing they could come up with?
They couldn't say "You straddle your bike, I'm going to lay your pistol on the ground over here with the mag beside it - please wait until we're gone before you get off the bike to come get it?"
If it's all about "SAFETY", well... Cops are more likely to shoot US than we are to shoot them - so shouldn't WE be able to cuff THEM before *WE* can feel safe in interacting with them?!
This PIG needs to move to Ill-Annoy or NYFC - he CLEARLY doesn't belong in a (relatively) free state like Wyoming!
Cops are more likely to shoot US than we are to shoot them - so shouldn't WE be able to cuff THEM before *WE* can feel safe in interacting with them?!
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