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That is a whole lot 'O Pounds for dam little coverage. That and my M-1 or M-1903 loaded with M-2AP will make LOTs of holes in that out past 400 yards. Wouldn't Your Militia Rookie be much better off with a good flack vest? I know the current fad is AR-15- 20mags- Steel plates and 120lb of TACTICOOL fieldgear. But is that the lesson us "old guys" want the kids to carry away? How many of them will fall out after an hour trying to hump 80lb in 90DEG. heat with them spam-cans on? ---Ray
ReplyDeleteI ain't humping no where! I was thinking, I should go ahead and dig my grave since my tombstone is already laid as this would be a good fighting position and convenient for the end. :)
DeleteNo Brock I'm serious, The sustainable load for infantry has allways been right around 50lb. Isn't making 25lb of that out of steel plate that covers what? Less than 1/2 of 1% of the human body and offers no protection of any kind for anything but your heart & lungs just a little poorly thought out? After all a Militia unit depends on its feet to transport EVERYTHING and every pound you carry in armor is one less pound of food-water-ammo-meds-sox you get to take. The current thinking advocates loads that will break down 19 year olds in top condition-so how long will 30-40-50-year olds last? And Brock I was allways under the impression that I WAS digging my own grave every time I dug a fox hole.---Ray
ReplyDeleteAfter all a Militia unit depends on its feet to transport EVERYTHING and every pound you carry in armor is one less pound of food-water-ammo-meds-sox you get to take.
DeleteGood point.
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I was always under the impression that I WAS digging my own grave every time I dug a fox hole
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A Condor CPC Vest and a front and back plate of Patriot Plate weighs in at 16.5 pounds. Rated to stop 30-06 AP. Body armor is NOT designed to keep you from dying. It's designed to keep you alive in order to return fire. A 10x12 plate protects those parts of your body that if hit will cause you to die in less than five minutes. If you can still return fire, it increases your chances of defeating your enemy or getting away. At that point I would hope you have medics in your tribe. NOTHING makes you bullet proof. In Iraq, there were kinetic energy rounds that went through an M1 Tank!
ReplyDeleteIncrease your chances of living long enough to get treated.
With that said, many folks are assuming risk by carrying only one plate in their plate carrier and getting it down to around 8 pounds. It's not for me, but I can see why some folks might make that decision.
WiscoDave and I argued long and hard about this. I was anti-armor, thinking it would slow me down and make me easier to hit. I decided to get a full set from Doc anyway. It's not for wearing all the time but I'll try to have it on when I know there's a good chance I'll be getting blasted. Max Velocity speaks at length about being able to vary our levels of defense and both he and Wisco started to make sense to me. I'm north of 50 and have found that more PT has indeed kept me from getting too slow. It's hard, it sucks, and it doesn't get any easier, but it does help.
ReplyDeleteJust another opinion...
Daniel
Thanks. You're just a youngin'. :)
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