Monday, September 7, 2020

Antifa Reality Check: This Is A Problem with RUF/ROE

Via Herschel

Western Rifle Shooters Association

"The incident cited above in Portland is really only a problem because of rules for the use of force and rules of engagement.  The problem isn’t that Antifa/BLM are enemy forces (they are), but that prosecutors are enemy forces as well in such instances, and the police, who won’t act to stop the acts of violence because they are beholden to the politicians, will follow their orders to the letter and arrest you if a prosecutor says to do it because you defended your property with lethal force.

You see, this is all a problem of RUF/ROE.  It was for these guys in Portland, and it will be for you if you attempt to defend your property.

Unless people decide to change them.  And that’s what I expect to occur in the future. 

Open confrontations in the roadway will cease after the arrest of Kyle Rittenhouse and others, and men standing outside of their businesses with ARs will be replaced by men hiding under Ghillie suits, around the corner, and using stand-off tactics and weapons from 400, 500, or 600 yards away, or even further.

This article is posed merely for analysis purposes and as a thought-experiment.  It outlines not what I recommend, nor what I wish to see occur, but what I strongly suspect will occur.

Good men, home owners, fathers who want to protect their families, and business owners, are progressively being backed into a corner.  I suspect they will not allow themselves to be put into a position of no escape from that corner.  At that point, the Antifa/BLM project becomes very dangerous for everyone involved."


  1. (Posted this @ The Captain's Journal)

    I wince when I hear conservatives and patriots talk about how the coming conflict with Antifa/BLM will be a turkey shoot over in 20 minutes. Antifa is more well-funded, organized, and equipped than most civilians are except for ex-military. Lasers, frozen water bottles, bricks, fireworks, strobe lights, superior networking and tactics are making monkeys out of LEOs and terrorizing entire cities.

    Also, something not usually acknowledged, and what I have witnessed first-hand – Antifa has the support of many of our liberal/leftist neighbors; they won’t be in the streets with them of course, but they will provide intel on which houses to hit, possibly shelter for the rioters during the attack (which makes them fair targets by the way), and they will also dox conservatives to law enforcement, fabricating “threats to “public safety.” We need to realize that sympathy among “non-combatant” liberals for Antifa is more widespread than we think and plan accordingly… for example, I read a post today that claimed Antifa is successfully crowdfunding to buy body armor and equipment. It’s not linked here because I couldn’t verify it, but I don’t doubt it.

    Most people under the age of around 40 can’t even spell “constitution” never mind having read it or understand it.

    I leave this thread with 3 relevant quotes to consider:

    “Good government generally begins in the family, and if the once moral character of a people degenerates; their political character must soon follow.” ― Elias Boudinot

    “A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” — John Stuart Mill, 1862

    “Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils.” — General George Stark.

    1. Very good and thanks.

  2. Good morning, Sir, how is everything over your way?

    That's a good overview, with good comments, this is the conundrum all of us have been thinking about, especially because the "police" will follow their orders as he mentioned, as has been evident all year, by arresting the defenders, for lack of a better term at the moment, and giving a pass to the looters and punks.

    If the cops would look the other way, that would remove 50 % of the concern, and a lot of people would get rolled up. This would not sit well with some of the neighbors he mentioned, but as they will be self-included in the roll up due to their stated position, that's a moot point. ;)

    1. Just fine and thank you. The Fall PATCON is the 10th of October

  3. With Soros buying so many DAs, catch and release is in full effect for the BLMers. It's not the police that need to turn a 'blind eye' it's also DAS. In those areas you defend yourself at the risk of a long prison term.