Friday, January 29, 2016

Finicum: "This whole takedown was very badly planned and executed, unless it was done to achieve this very effect"

Via comment by Tone Deaf on LaVoy Finicum was shot first and appears put his a...":

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"It was not necessary, and the group were on their way to a meeting they had arranged with a Constitutional Sheriff, which was a lie and a trap"
"....... has anyone considered that 1) He has already been fired upon as he crashed the vehicle into the snowbank and 2) could he have in fact been injured in some way by one of those shots?"
 "......if he was shot before he was tasered, he had his hands up and basically was given no quarter."
 "I cannot see any justification for Finicums death"
"You no longer live in the country that was created in 1781. That Constitutional Republic, based on rightful liberty and equality before the law, no longer exists. You live in a a lawless banana republic, where might is right and there will never be justice."

There has been a lot already stated about this video over the interwebz. I have some comments on it, which originated in my disagreement with a commenter on the forum post about this HERE. The forum comments about the video start on page 2 of the thread, after the video (below) is posted. My primary disagreement was with very disparaging comments made about the account given by Victoria, who was in the white truck with Finicum as this situation developed.

My primary point is that you can only get so much out of viewing this video. There is much that you can’t see, and the internet has been alive with speculation, including about the mindset / thought processes of the individuals involved, primarily with what Finicum may or may not be thinking as he is killed. That is not analysis, but speculation. Since I commented on the forum post last night, I have had an opportunity to view the video on my computer screen, rather than my phone. It is still not the best, and it is blurry in many cases, and there is much that cannot be seen. Definitive answers need to wait on any audio / ground camera footage that may or may not be released.

You need to understand that this situation was a surprise, developed very fast, and was dynamic, violent and sudden. Lots of things can happen to people’s perceptions, to tunnel vision, problems with distance estimation, slowing of time, all sorts. It is easy to sit back and quarterback it from your keyboard, but it is for these reasons that I do not dismiss the statement by Victoria. It seems to corroborate fairly closely with the video, and where it doesn’t, it is easily explained by perception, terror, and inexperience. For example, the statement that Finicum was shot on his knees with his hands up: If Victoria was able to see him from the vehicle at the point he was shot, he was actually knee deep in snow, with his hands up. From her perspective, and her altered perception, this could well have been perceived as him being kneeling.

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  1. Where are Stewart Rhodes and the rest of the oft vaunted "Oathkeepers"? Not a peep from them since the drone video showing Lavoy Finicum's cold-blooded murder at the hands of their "brothers" was released. Why have they not been publicly and vociferously leading the charge to have those responsible for Finicum's death brought to justice (hung by the neck until dead)? I'll tell you where they are; they are hiding behind that damned "thin blue line". "Oathkeepers" my ass! Come on Stewie, grow a spine and prove me wrong!

    1. Reminds me of Massad Ayoob. Always takes the side of the police.

  2. Lessons Learned.

    Strategically, bring some 'Black Lives Matter' folks into the next BLM type standoff.

    Once Sharpton and Jackson are on the ground, there won't be any more Finicums.

  3. It was awful. I saw it and looked like they jumped the gun. Gave no chance.

    Deo Vindice

    Debbie Marie