She told me she caught some of them cheating once. They didn't understand the concept of cheating, to them they were working together to accomplish a task, that of everybody passing! A totally different culture.
Tribal. The survival of the tribe is what matters, they're all related to some degree within the different tribes (ie. Chiricahua, Lipan, etc). As a nation, they're independent, they want the nation to be free. Its just a different set of values and point of view.
As a side note, more of them speak Spanish than English. There are Apache on both sides of the border and a lot of drugs and illegal aliens move through the reservations.
I am told by my Pine Ridge, SD friends that Mexican men come to the Rez, lure Indian women into bed, addict them to drugs and put them out as sales people. They just give the drugs to the young Indian men and make pushers of them. I have told my Christian pastor friend there that even having been baptized in 1944 in a Baptist Church, I will never really be a Christian because I would happily put a bullet in the forehead of any man who did such in my community. Mark me "Too old to change."
Did you ask "Collectivist?" With your forbearance I quote Thompson Seton's fifth and sixth message of the Indian, written about 1930.
5th. He solved one great economic problem that vexes us today. By his life and tribal constitution, he has shown us that the nationalization of all natural resources and national interests puts a stop at once equally to abject poverty and to monstrous wealth.
6th. He was the world's great historic protest against avarice. Under various euphonious names we encourage greed as a safeguard against destitution. He showed that it has no bearing on the case and it unavoidably ends in measureless crime:
And Thompson Seton ends his discourse with a message that stunned me when I re-read it recently.
He goes on to say, "That seems to be the sixfold message of the Indian; but there is also a thought that will not down as one reads these chronicles of a trampled race.
The law of the land gives everyone the right to think and decide for himself, so long as he does not infringe on the rights of others. No man may compel the conscience of another except that other be a soldier or a marine. When a man joins army or navy, he must leave his conscience behind. That is the law. Why? Because those in high places of authority know so well that the soldier or sailor, going to the front and seeing with his own eyes the abominations and human tortures that warfare really means, would be so horror stricken that he would recoil as from a very hell. He would refuse to be a party to such unspeakable atrocities, and so army and navy, yes, the whole system back of it would crumble.
No sir, discipline must be maintained. The soldier and sailor must leave his conscience at home and do as he is told, stifling the voice within that tells him he is espousing the cause of Jezebel, Herod and Moloch, and pledging his manhood to the service of hell.
When General Crook set off in deep winter to hound the Dakota patriots to their death, and to slaughter their women and babies, he admitted. as we have seen, that it was a hard campaign to go on. "But," he added, "the hardest thing is to go and fight those whom we know are right."
The end of his chapter speaks to 2013 Oath Keepers. He says, "To most men, in some measure, there comes a time when they must decide between their duty to country and their duty to God. How many dare take the course that they know to be right? Are there no times when a man's duty to high principle must override his allegiance to constituted authority? No? Then how do you justify 1776? And the martyrs, from Socrates, seditious preacher of the truth, right down to men of our own times; were they all wrong? All set their God above their country's laws, and suffered cruel, shameful deaths.
If they did not teach us by their lives and deaths that justice and truth are above every consideration of one's country and its laws, then Socrates, St. Peter, St. Stephen, St. Paul, St. John, Becket, Huss Coligny, Latimer, Ridley Cranmer--yes the Lord Himself--all lived and died in vain.
A last personal note. As I typed this I thought of Adam Hochschild's epic documentary book, "To End All Wars." It is probably the single greatest book of its kind that I have ever read. I have told the veterans on my email list, "Unless you have been in combat yourself, do not mention War to me until you have read that book."
Mexican men come to the Rez, lure Indian women into bed, addict them to drugs and put them out as sales people. They just give the drugs to the young Indian men and make pushers of them.
Don't doubt it for a minute. ======== The law of the land gives everyone the right to think and decide for himself, so long as he does not infringe on the rights of others.
Indeed.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. ~ Thomas Jefferson ======= "the hardest thing is to go and fight those whom we know are right."
But, you still had to kill the women and children, right Crocodile tears?
In full disclosure, I had to quit Southern Baptist Sunday school in 2006, after merely 70 years, when the old ones told me that if I didn't accept the book of Joshua's Old Testament account of God telling Joshua to climb the walls of the four acre city of Jericho and kill all the men women and children with swords, then I didn't belong there. I had called it, "Jewish Mythology" to their horror. I promise to lay off the plight of aboriginal Palestinians and First Americans. I have only a handful of friends left.
After being told off yesterday by a Virginia friend of 50 years, you can't imagine how much that comment means to me. My sword is at your command, Sir.
I would like to have the sword sharpening job. I have eight-inch paper wheels on a grinder which will turn any blade into a razor.
My friend was mayor for 35 years and never could express himself too clearly. I may have misunderstood his one sentence reply. Twitter has destroyed America's ability to write a complete sentence. And I may be oversensitive as a result of being unfairly taken to task on this site recently. Live and Let Live.
A most attractive woman, and in addition to Hattie, there was the exchange between you and Horace Smith. Interesting. I read all your stuff, but seldom feel compelled to respond. This is one of them.
I only beat dead horses. So here goes. I have been studying alcoholism for over 30 years and am convinced that it is a liver disease. The Native American is 70 per cent predisposed to alcoholism and it runs 70-80 percent on the reservations. Strangely, studies have shown that there is a mutation of a human gene, the fourth, on the twelfth chromosome, that predisposes seventy percent to alcoholism in its carrier. A far smaller number of Caucasians have it than the native Americans. Any prescription drug, like statins, which warn against use by people with liver disease, will almost kill me or make me wish I was dead, as a lot of experience has shown me.
I never preach against drinking. I loved all of it, just like I loved Salem Menthols. I didn't quit those things, I finished my allotment. Our government subsidizes Indian purchases of alcohol. I would stamp that out. If you go to Pine Ridge with me, you will have to drive thru White Clay, Nebraska, America's biggest sadness, and see what 4 million cans of beer a year does to the population of Pine Ridge, just across the line.
It's your fault Brock. You keep showing me beautiful pictures and setting me off. I was retired 24 years the first of March from the War racket and the high point of my retirement has been reading Free North Carolina and being allowed to have my comments posted on it. I humbly thank you for that.
One more oversight. An email yesterday from the cousin at whose house Bill France often ate spaghetti. She asked if "S&W lover," in my email signature meant the cafeteria chain we all ate at in Asheville. I told her "No, my father, an uncle of his, and myself are all named after the Horace Smith who was Dan Wesson's partner and I have a few S&W revolvers which the Colorado Democrats want me to turn in. One of them, a .32 S&W long is very nearly a hundred years old and came out of the huge array of hand-guns and rifles that he left when he died prematurely in 1941. My warm, live, hands will surely fire it ere they turn cold. Molon Labe.
My damaged nerves won't let me type well any more. The revolver was in the collection of a bootlegging uncle and came from trading government seal booze, not moonshine, and it came up the mountain from Landrum, NC, which I think might have had more liquor stores than residents in the '30s, in modified Ford coupes driven by men who would later cause huge race-tracks to be built all over America. Heh. I'm through for the day. Peace.
My mother spent a year or two on one of the Apache reservations as a teacher. She liked it, other than the drugs and violence.
ReplyDeleteThat must have been both interesting and educational for your mother.
DeleteShe told me she caught some of them cheating once. They didn't understand the concept of cheating, to them they were working together to accomplish a task, that of everybody passing! A totally different culture.
DeleteI like that and there is much we could learn from them. Dixie and I just finished Crazy Horse by Joseph Marshall.
DeleteMaybe. They're collectivists. But they're sovereign, so they can govern themselves how they see fit, none of my business.
DeleteCollectivists?
DeleteTribal. The survival of the tribe is what matters, they're all related to some degree within the different tribes (ie. Chiricahua, Lipan, etc). As a nation, they're independent, they want the nation to be free. Its just a different set of values and point of view.
DeleteAs a side note, more of them speak Spanish than English. There are Apache on both sides of the border and a lot of drugs and illegal aliens move through the reservations.
If TSHTF, they will probably not be our allies.
Horace Smith March 11,2013 at 1:58 PM
DeleteI am told by my Pine Ridge, SD friends that Mexican men come to the Rez, lure Indian women into bed, addict them to drugs and put them out as sales people. They just give the drugs to the young Indian men and make pushers of them. I have told my Christian pastor friend there that even having been baptized in 1944 in a Baptist Church, I will never really be a Christian because I would happily put a bullet in the forehead of any man who did such in my community. Mark me "Too old to change."
Did you ask "Collectivist?" With your forbearance I quote Thompson Seton's fifth and sixth message of the Indian, written about 1930.
5th. He solved one great economic problem that vexes us today. By his life and tribal constitution, he has shown us that the nationalization of all natural resources and national interests puts a stop at once equally to abject poverty and to monstrous wealth.
6th. He was the world's great historic protest against avarice. Under various euphonious names we encourage greed as a safeguard against destitution. He showed that it has no bearing on the case and it unavoidably ends in measureless crime:
And Thompson Seton ends his discourse with a message that stunned me when I re-read it recently.
He goes on to say, "That seems to be the sixfold message of the Indian; but there is also a thought that will not down as one reads these chronicles of a trampled race.
The law of the land gives everyone the right to think and decide for himself, so long as he does not infringe on the rights of others. No man may compel the conscience of another except that other be a soldier or a marine. When a man joins army or navy, he must leave his conscience behind. That is the law. Why? Because those in high places of authority know so well that the soldier or sailor, going to the front and seeing with his own eyes the abominations and human tortures that warfare really means, would be so horror stricken that he would recoil as from a very hell. He would refuse to be a party to such unspeakable atrocities, and so army and navy, yes, the whole system back of it would crumble.
No sir, discipline must be maintained. The soldier and sailor must leave his conscience at home and do as he is told, stifling the voice within that tells him he is espousing the cause of Jezebel, Herod and Moloch, and pledging his manhood to the service of hell.
When General Crook set off in deep winter to hound the Dakota patriots to their death, and to slaughter their women and babies, he admitted. as we have seen, that it was a hard campaign to go on. "But," he added, "the hardest thing is to go and fight those whom we know are right."
The end of his chapter speaks to 2013 Oath Keepers. He says, "To most men, in some measure, there comes a time when they must decide between their duty to country and their duty to God. How many dare take the course that they know to be right? Are there no times when a man's duty to high principle must override his allegiance to constituted authority? No? Then how do you justify 1776? And the martyrs, from Socrates, seditious preacher of the truth, right down to men of our own times; were they all wrong? All set their God above their country's laws, and suffered cruel, shameful deaths.
If they did not teach us by their lives and deaths that justice and truth are above every consideration of one's country and its laws, then Socrates, St. Peter, St. Stephen, St. Paul, St. John, Becket, Huss Coligny, Latimer, Ridley Cranmer--yes the Lord Himself--all lived and died in vain.
A last personal note. As I typed this I thought of Adam Hochschild's epic documentary book, "To End All Wars." It is probably the single greatest book of its kind that I have ever read. I have told the veterans on my email list, "Unless you have been in combat yourself, do not mention War to me until you have read that book."
Mexican men come to the Rez, lure Indian women into bed, addict them to drugs and put them out as sales people. They just give the drugs to the young Indian men and make pushers of them.
DeleteDon't doubt it for a minute.
========
The law of the land gives everyone the right to think and decide for himself, so long as he does not infringe on the rights of others.
Indeed.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. ~ Thomas Jefferson
=======
"the hardest thing is to go and fight those whom we know are right."
But, you still had to kill the women and children, right Crocodile tears?
In full disclosure, I had to quit Southern Baptist Sunday school in 2006, after merely 70 years, when the old ones told me that if I didn't accept the book of Joshua's Old Testament account of God telling Joshua to climb the walls of the four acre city of Jericho and kill all the men women and children with swords, then I didn't belong there. I had called it, "Jewish Mythology" to their horror. I promise to lay off the plight of aboriginal Palestinians and First Americans. I have only a handful of friends left.
DeleteI promise to lay off the plight of aboriginal Palestinians and First Americans. I have only a handful of friends left.
DeleteKeep it going as you are making more in the magical arena of the Internet.:)
After being told off yesterday by a Virginia friend of 50 years, you can't imagine how much that comment means to me. My sword is at your command, Sir.
DeleteAfter being told off yesterday by a Virginia friend of 50 years,
DeleteWhat in the world caused that? & keep your sword doubly sharp.:)
I would like to have the sword sharpening job. I have eight-inch paper wheels on a grinder which will turn any blade into a razor.
ReplyDeleteMy friend was mayor for 35 years and never could express himself too clearly. I may have misunderstood his one sentence reply. Twitter has destroyed America's ability to write a complete sentence. And I may be oversensitive as a result of being unfairly taken to task on this site recently. Live and Let Live.
Twitter has destroyed America's ability to write a complete sentence.
DeleteIndeed.
A most attractive woman, and in addition to Hattie, there was the exchange between you and Horace Smith. Interesting. I read all your stuff, but seldom feel compelled to respond. This is one of them.
ReplyDeleteTom
I only beat dead horses. So here goes. I have been studying alcoholism for over 30 years and am convinced that it is a liver disease. The Native American is 70 per cent predisposed to alcoholism and it runs 70-80 percent on the reservations. Strangely, studies have shown that there is a mutation of a human gene, the fourth, on the twelfth chromosome, that predisposes seventy percent to alcoholism in its carrier. A far smaller number of Caucasians have it than the native Americans. Any prescription drug, like statins, which warn against use by people with liver disease, will almost kill me or make me wish I was dead, as a lot of experience has shown me.
ReplyDeleteI never preach against drinking. I loved all of it, just like I loved Salem Menthols. I didn't quit those things, I finished my allotment. Our government subsidizes Indian purchases of alcohol. I would stamp that out. If you go to Pine Ridge with me, you will have to drive thru White Clay, Nebraska, America's biggest sadness, and see what 4 million cans of beer a year does to the population of Pine Ridge, just across the line.
It's your fault Brock. You keep showing me beautiful pictures and setting me off. I was retired 24 years the first of March from the War racket and the high point of my retirement has been reading Free North Carolina and being allowed to have my comments posted on it. I humbly thank you for that.
It's your fault Brock. You keep showing me beautiful pictures and setting me off. I was retired 24 years the first of March from the War racket
DeleteThanks and 20 lashes with a wet noodle.:)
One more oversight. An email yesterday from the cousin at whose house Bill France often ate spaghetti. She asked if "S&W lover," in my email signature meant the cafeteria chain we all ate at in Asheville. I told her "No, my father, an uncle of his, and myself are all named after the Horace Smith who was Dan Wesson's partner and I have a few S&W revolvers which the Colorado Democrats want me to turn in. One of them, a .32 S&W long is very nearly a hundred years old and came out of the huge array of hand-guns and rifles that he left when he died prematurely in 1941. My warm, live, hands will surely fire it ere they turn cold. Molon Labe.
ReplyDeleteIf they are too much to inventory, I will take up the burden.:)
DeleteMy damaged nerves won't let me type well any more. The revolver was in the collection of a bootlegging uncle and came from trading government seal booze, not moonshine, and it came up the mountain from Landrum, NC, which I think might have had more liquor stores than residents in the '30s, in modified Ford coupes driven by men who would later cause huge race-tracks to be built all over America. Heh. I'm through for the day. Peace.
ReplyDeletewhich I think might have had more liquor stores than residents in the '30s
DeleteNever enough.;)